@ chinenye, the time you stop replying to, correcting, educating, interpreting, countering, analysing an Igbo man's posts on anything pertaining to Ndigbo, that's when you'll stop getting attacks from Igbos.

You can channel your energy towards non-Igbos. You can choose to support or not support those non-Igbos and believe me, no Igbo will bother you.

But you are a specialist in countering what an Igbo says.

If I could block your name and stop seeing your posts like it is on Facebook, I won't hesitate to do that.

chyz:

Your 'respect' is worth 3 strips of dried cassava peel.

Obiagu1:

@ chinenye, the time you stop replying to, correcting, educating, interpreting, countering, analysing an Igbo man's posts on anything pertaining to Ndigbo, that's when you'll stop getting attacks from Igbos.

You can channel your energy towards non-Igbos. You can choose to support or not support those non-Igbos and believe me, no Igbo will bother you.

Both you are a specialist in countering what an Igbo says.

If I could block your name and stop seeing your posts like it is on Facebook, I won't hesitate to do that.

u are very very silly for saying that

why are u igbos very tribalistic,,,,,, why should he channel his energy to non-igbo why

Wannan inyamirai suna da taba

^^^

Sorry for you, iti boribo. When you take a sentence from a short post out of context, what happens when the post is long like PhysicQEDs?

READ the whole line.

Basically, my engaging in Igbo topics (of which I have every right) is apparently warrant enough for an attack by 'my fellow Igbo'. Funny nonsense. Also, by the way, I'm not all that fond of choosing sides (though there are obvious exceptions), so don't ask me to do that Igbo/non-Igbo deal. I don't play that "with us or not" mentality.

I didn't say you don't have any right to engage in Igbo topics, but stop countering what an Igbo says on thorny issues.

Obiagu1:

^^^

Sorry for you, iti boribo. When you take a sentence from a short post out of context, what happens when the post is long like PhysicQEDs?

READ the whole line.

do not feel sorry for me

because i am igbo also and i can contribute to igbo trends

and yes i read the whole post

Obiagu1:

I didn't say you don't have any right to engage in Igbo topics, but stop countering what an Igbo says on thorny issues.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you seem to be suggesting is essentially the same thing as saying that I should not address rather disagreeable points made by Igbo here on NL, on thorny issues.

alj harem:

do not feel sorry for me

because i am igbo also and i can contribute to igbo trends

and yes i read the whole post

Oh sorry Sir, I forgot you're Alhaji Okeke Harem

ChinenyeN:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you seem to be suggesting is essentially the same thing as saying that I should not address rather disagreeable points made by Igbo here on NL, on thorny issues.

Just like asha 80 said sometimes he found Andre's posts annoying and likely some other Igbos' posts, but he doesn't resort to countering them as often as you do.

Majority of your posts were attempts to counter, refute what another Igboman said and you should stop that.

Exactly the same opinion expressed by oturugo was what I expressed when I first joined NL, so that says something about how  and what you post.

This phenomenon of me addressing Andre is a rather recent development. Regarding you and Oturugo's opinions, both of you joined NL rather recently. You in particular joined NL around the the climax of the ChinenyeN issue, if not shortly after. You weren't there during the genesis of it all. Neither of you (meaning you and Oturugo) were, and my reaction to the both of you during our first interactions have been nearly similar.

In fact, thinking back, I told you, like I told Oturugo, that I had no issues with you, but unlike Oturugo, you chose to get brash with me, and remain as such. 'Til date, I don't consider myself as having any beef with you, Obiagu1, although I do find a number of your assertions to be disagreeable.

@Obiagu1, thanks immensely for your post. Ezeuche has not been involved in this thread yet Chinenye chose to insult him and call him NMOGHO. Before Andrew Uwe's post, Egobiambu had posted earlier, yet ChinonyeN in his inglorious stupidy chose to counter Andrew Huweh. Before I joined Nairaland, I sometimes do not know either to weep or to laugh at most of his post. Anyway, am here now and it might be war between us if he continues with his anti Igbo antics. Watch out.

oturugo:

@Obiagu1, thanks immensely for your post. Ezeuche has not been involved in this thread yet Chinenye chose to insult him and call him NMOGHO. Before Andrew Uwe's post, Egobiambu had posted earlier, yet ChinonyeN in his inglorious stupidy chose to counter Andrew Huweh. Before I joined Nairaland, I sometimes do not know either to weep or to laugh at most of his post. Anyway, am here now and it might be war between us if he continues with his anti Igbo antics. Watch out.

ezeuche shattap

did u read his post at all before u jump to conclusion

and why should u have war with our brother when clearly he has his own views which he did not beg for any one to support

alj harem:

ezeuche shattap

did u read his post at all before u jump to conclusion

and why should u have war with our brother when clearly he has his own views which he did not beg for any one to support

Shut up your dirty gworo mouth. I have read his post severally before joining nairaland, and his posts are so offensive to those who believe in Igbo just. I gave an example of the poster before Andreuweh but Chinenye rather chose to counter Adre Uwe and turned a blind eye to Egobiambu's post. At the same time, he went about calling Ezeuche something insultive.
There lots of Igbos who visit this sites regularly yet have not joined. Chinenye's post will only attract people who will come here and fight him on daily basis. For that purpose, I hereby offer my humble self for that aim. Watch out.

It seems I may have spoken too soon, in the case of Oturugo. I made it explicitly clear that I have no beef or wahala with him, but he apparently looks forward to waring with me?  Not something I had in mind, Oturugo. By the way, Oturugo, I only made a simple reference to EzeUche, which you are blowing out of proportion. In fact, you're starting to remind me of a lot EzeUche, except EzeUche is not as good with words.

Andre Uweh:

Why have you not attacked Egobianbu

oturugo:

and turned a blind eye to Egobiambu's post.

Okay, let's review Egobiambu's only post in this entire topic. . . .

EgobiambuEmmanuel:

There are differences b/w Igbo in Delta and SE Igbos.I myself come 4rm delta.people in d area hardly accept d fact dat dey are Igbos,they mostly belief they migrate 4rm Bini and are most at home with people 4rm dat part dan SE Igbos.one of d diff is in my username,egobiambu which means wealth has been existing b/4 bt SE Igbos will interprete it as wealth/money comes first.This and more makes us believe dey are not Igbos.

I don't see anything to be overly concerned about here, unless someone is willing to point out what I'm missing.

ChinenyeN:

Okay, let's review Egobiambu's only post in this entire topic. . . .

I don't see anything to be overly concerned about here, unless someone is willing to point out what I'm missing.

first and foremost is it all delta igbos that are familiar with that surname.

do the ikas or ukwuani speak the same way as the asabans.

although i agree some of the aniomas have some affinity with the binis but he saying they feel more comfortable with binis depends on who you ask.most of the peopl who suffered the massacre in asaba and some parts of anioma will disagree as it is a bini monarch that pointed them as igbo.

i hope you kow the onitsha people and asaba people and ogbaru peolple speak in an almost identical way.

i guess because onitsha and ogbaru are on the geographical southeast and asaba is in anioma but seperated by a river then onitsha and ogbaru people will interpret it differently from the asabans.



even if we start looking at names chinenye do not tell me you do not know that some names are distinct to some igbo groups.when you see an igbo person answer 'ubani' and he is not from mbaise or ngwa or you here 'kalu' and the person is not from the old bende division let me know

I get what you're saying Asha, and for me, all that you mentioned is exactly why I am not at all concerned with Egobiambu's post. The points you made in your post have all been established times over by other Igbo (both SE & Delta), and that is also why I posted the below comment.

ChinenyeN:

I can't believe you all are still on this. I mean, really. . Leave the non-koi koi Igbo for themselves, a begi. Na bi force?

So, with all you talked about having already been discussed and established times over, I saw no reason to be as concerned with Egobiambu's post as Andre or Chyz were, and I could not, for the life of me, understand why/how Andre or Chyz (although, Chyz explained his own, so that's okay), but Andre in particular would continue on like this. But now that Andre has explicitly explained himself (the oath he swore), I guess it all makes sense, in some strange, excessive way.

Long story short, I in particular do not see anything in Egobiambu's post that is actually cause for concern. Had he insulted SE Igbo though, just as Agbotaen had done, then I would understand what Oturugo meant by "turning a blind eye" and I would understand why Andre would desire me to also be 'up in arms' with him.

ChinenyeN:

I get what you're saying Asha, and for me, all that you mentioned is exactly why I am not at all concerned with Egobiambu's post. The points you made in your post have all been established times over by other Igbo (both SE & Delta), and that is also why I posted the below comment.

So, with all you talked about having already been discussed and established times over, I saw no reason to be as concerned with Egobiambu's post as Andre or Chyz were, and I could not, for the life of me, understand why/how Andre or Chyz (although, Chyz explained his own, so that's okay), but Andre in particular would continue on like this. But now that Andre has explicitly explained himself (the oath he swore), I guess it all makes sense, in some strange, excessive way.

Long story short, I in particular do not see anything in Egobiambu's post that is actually cause for concern. Had he insulted SE Igbo though, just as Agbotaen had done, then I would understand what Oturugo meant by "turning a blind eye" and I would understand why Andre would desire me to also be 'up in arms' with him.

What you deemded fit to talk about is of no business to me. This is a forum and discussion are to go on.If everyone was to stop commenting on threads because YOU, chinenye, finds it of no use then it would simply die. I discuss issues that have to do with the topic;however, you, come on here to give rebuttals that have little or nothing to do with the topic.You find it fit to argue about accusations. In no way did I go on the offence(negatively),like you make it seem, towards Egobiambu's comment. In fact I appreciate his contribution as someone new to this forum and a fellow Anioma brother. He's fine with me.I would be best if you desist to make it look like some of us,here, are attacking him in some wort of way. Just thought I'd let you know.

I think you're grossly misunderstanding me, Chyz. I never accused you of being offensive, and I actually have no problem with you. If you actually read through the part of my post concerning you, you'd see that I understood where you were coming from and was okay with it. If you mistook my comments for anything else, then my apologies. I guess wasn't explicit enough in what I was saying.

ChinenyeN:

I think you're grossly misunderstanding me, Chyz. I never accused you of being offensive, and I actually have no problem with you. If you actually read through the part of my post concerning you, you'd see that I understood where you were coming from and was okay with it. If you mistook my comments for anything else, then my apologies. I guess wasn't explicit enough in what I was saying.

My apologies too. I thought i was being attacked but i guess i was wrong.Jisike.

Nsogbu adighi.

chyz:

My apologies too. I thought i was being attacked but i guess i was wrong.Jisike.

ChinenyeN:

Nsogbu adighi.

keedo biko

Ndi Igbo: Ofu Obi Wu Ike Anyi. Let this motto be our guiding principle irrespective of geographical location.

Andre Uweh:

Ndi Igbo: Ofu Obi Wu Ike Anyi. Let this motto be our guiding principle irrespective of geographical location.

my ndigbo brother, our motto should be in unite and strength we will succeed

Even though the book credited to obi of owa has proved beyound all reasonable doubt that ika is igbo and therefore ikaland just like ngwaland is part of igboland,we are still aware that there are bini slaves who settled among original igbo people in ikaland  and indeed all aniomaland,we have already seen some of their descendands in this thread,our message to them is to pack their bini must go bags and go back to bini as slaves they once were,or stay in aniomaland as igbo and be free from slavery,it is not a must to stay in igboland,enough is enough,for the bini must go bags,they should come to my shop in alaba.

vicenzo:

Even though the book credited to obi of owa has proved beyound all reasonable doubt that ika is igbo and therefore ikaland just like ngwaland is part of igboland,we are still aware that there are bini slaves who settled among original igbo people in ikaland and indeed all aniomaland,we have already seen some of their descendands in this thread,our message to them is to pack their bini must go bags and go back to bini as slaves they once were,or stay in aniomaland as igbo and be free from slavery,it is not a must to stay in igboland,enough is enough,for the bini must go bags,they should come to my shop in alaba.

Words of wisdom.
Vicenzo, merry xmas.

@andre.You are welcome,merry christmas too.

vicenzo:

Even though the book credited to obi of owa has proved beyound all reasonable doubt that ika is igbo and therefore ikaland just like ngwaland is part of igboland,we are still aware that there are bini slaves who settled among original igbo people in ikaland  and indeed all aniomaland,we have already seen some of their descendands in this thread,our message to them is to pack their bini must go bags and go back to bini as slaves they once were,or stay in aniomaland as igbo and be free from slavery,it is not a must to stay in igboland,enough is enough,for the bini must go bags,they should come to my shop in alaba.

There were never any Bini slaves owned by any non-Bini group you clown. Why do you constantly spew so much rubbish? If you have a problem with someone claiming to be Bini instead of Igbo or claiming not to Igbo, then prove to him that he is Igbo with facts and logic as others in this thread have already done, don't resort to fabrication. Binis never sold their own as a rule and were only ever defeated by the British, so talk of Bini slaves in any land outside Benin-Igbo, Yoruba, Ijaw, Ashanti, Habesha, Boer, or Martian- is nonsense.

Why does every market boy with access to the internet now think he can start falsifying history?

At no time, in no land, in no place, in this world or the next was there ever anything like what you are claiming here.

Some Igbos were right next to a very influential culture and some of them acquired aspects of that culture. No different than some Yorubas in Owo of modern Ondo state acquiring aspects of Benin culture without actually being Bini. Fairly tales are unnecessary to prove to people that Ikas are Igbo.

PhysicsMHD:


There were never any Bini slaves owned by any non-Bini group you clown. Why do you constantly spew so much rubbish? If you have a problem with someone claiming to be Bini instead of Igbo or claiming not to Igbo, then prove to him that he is Igbo with facts and logic as others in this thread have already done, don't resort to fabrication. Binis never sold their own as a rule and were only ever defeated by the British, so talk of Bini slaves in any land outside Benin-Igbo, Yoruba, Ijaw, Ashanti, Habesha, Boer, or Martian- is nonsense.

Why does every market boy with access to the internet now think he can start falsifying history?

At no time, in no land, in no place, in this world or the next was there ever anything like what you are claiming here.

Some Igbos were right next to a very influential culture and some of them acquired aspects of that culture. No different than some Yorubas in Owo of modern Ondo state acquiring aspects of Benin culture without actually being Bini. Fairly tales are unnecessary to prove to people that Ikas are Igbo.

gbam

i have told my igbo brothers that if someone does not want to be igbo, then do not force him

just tell him some facts after that leave him to decide who he is.

i remember i told agbotean that he is ika but in the igbo ethnic group, but he refused.

and that's it he is not igbo

i am a proud igbo man with all ego,,,,,,,,,,,fact

ika people do not have untouchables like the osu cast system in some igbo communities , ika people are largely royal , ika is not a homogeneous community , but a heterogeneous one with migrations from bini, ishan, igbo, ndokwa,ora ,aboh and other places, but because they have lived together for hundreds of years they largely decided to form one unit. but their histories still remain intact .
but mainly ika people have been largely influenced by bini and igbo culture and language . ikas know that lots of migration and intermarriages have occurred amongst them and they cannot be bini nor igbo , so they , that is our ancestors created a seperate ideology as ikas for themselves,this they have defended , ika people are divided into western ikas and eastern ika communities , the western ikas are agbor, igbanke, owa, abavo,ute okpu, idumuesah,emuhu,while the eastern ones are umunede, otolokpo, mbiri, akumazi,and igbodo .this kingdoms are close to aniocha areas and igbodo is the last ika community , many of these eastern communities are influenced by aniocha people , so their culture is slightly different from the western ika people.
ikas only feel at home with ikas ,so that is why majority of ikas do not belong to any igbo ethnic organisation .it is not as if they dont love igbos , infact they are mindful of their relationship with igbos as they are our brothers , so also the binis are our brothers too.so we keep relating to these two groups are relatives without joining any one of them.
if you open an web page on bini kingdom , you will see that the binis list ika people as edo descendants who migrated from bini in defferent waves and were later mixed with igbo people.
while if you open most igbo web page , the ikas will be listed as igbos.
it is not strange for people in delta state , bvecause the itsekiris have two traditions ,one from yoruba and the other from bini , and the itsekiris are neither yorubas nor binis .
who do we say we are ?
we say we are ika ethnic group or ika people.we have our leaders and our socio-cultural group called onu and ogua ika , just like igbos have ohaneze and hausas have arewa too.
what qualifies a person to be an ika person or ebon ika or nwaebon like we say .
1. their town must be stratified into ebon ( umun),idumu and ogbe.
2. must be able to trace your ancestory to one of these units.
3. in ancient times ikas were people who worshipped idigun/ogun- god of iron.
4. believed that osenobue or oselobue was GOD almighty.
5. believed in ehi as guardian spirit of man.
6. believed in the heavens as orhimi
7. ikas are people who performed the igue festival to mark end of the year.
8.had a believe in hereditory kingship and edaikenship.
9. had three kinds of chiefs called ohaime , which are 1.palace, 2. hereditory ,3, town chiefs.
10. speak the ika language .
11. have respects for elders and seniors.
12. they also performed new yam festival called iwaigi or ogbaligbe.
13. believed that olokun in ancient times was the son of oselobue .
14.maintained the marriage system of nwuyen, idegbe and mgba.
15. finally ika ethnic brotherhood is greatly anchored on the believe that all the ikas migrated at about the same time from benin ( what we mean are most of the founders of ika towns and villages,but available evidence also shows greatly the imput of igbo early migrants too , who founded some ika villages.

finally i want to use this medium to thank DR. cairo ojougboh from agbor , who stepped down today for chief author okowa , at the just concluded delta north senatorial primaries for PDP in asaba. chief okowa won with a total of 1`,446 votes to that of mariam nnaemeka alli from asaba who scored 108 votes . chief okowa is from owa kingdom ,it shows that the appeal of onu ika leader for all ika aspirants to rally round DR. OKOWA worked.we urge him to keep promoting owa and ika culture and to try and bring development to delta north area.

Again, really?

agbotaen:

ika people do not have untouchables like the osu cast system in some igbo communities , ika people are largely royal , ika is not a homogeneous community , but a heterogeneous one with migrations from bini, ishan, igbo, ndokwa,ora ,aboh and other places, but because they have lived together for hundreds of years they largely decided to form one unit. but their histories still remain intact .
but mainly ika people have been largely influenced by bini and igbo culture and language . ikas know that lots of migration and intermarriages have occurred amongst them and they cannot be bini nor igbo , so they , that is our ancestors created a seperate ideology as ikas for themselves,this they have defended , ika people are divided into western ikas and eastern ika communities , the western ikas are agbor, igbanke, owa, abavo,ute okpu, idumuesah,emuhu,while the eastern ones are umunede, otolokpo, mbiri, akumazi,and igbodo .this kingdoms are close to aniocha areas and igbodo is the last ika community , many of these eastern communities are influenced by aniocha people , so their culture is slightly different from the western ika people.
ikas only feel at home with ikas ,so that is why majority of ikas do not belong to any igbo ethnic organisation .it is not as if they dont love igbos , infact they are mindful of their relationship with igbos as they are our brothers , so also the binis are our brothers too.so we keep relating to these two groups are relatives without joining any one of them.
if you open an web page on bini kingdom , you will see that the binis list ika people as edo descendants who migrated from bini in defferent waves and were later mixed with igbo people.
while if you open most igbo web page , the ikas will be listed as igbos.
it is not strange for people in delta state , bvecause the itsekiris have two traditions ,one from yoruba and the other from bini , and the itsekiris are neither yorubas nor binis .
who do we say we are ?
we say we are ika ethnic group or ika people.we have our leaders and our socio-cultural group called onu and ogua ika , just like igbos have ohaneze and hausas have arewa too.
what qualifies a person to be an ika person or ebon ika or nwaebon like we say .
1. their town must be stratified into ebon ( umun),idumu and ogbe.
2. must be able to trace your ancestory to one of these units.
3. in ancient times ikas were people who worshipped idigun/ogun- god of iron.
4. believed that osenobue or oselobue was GOD almighty.
5. believed in ehi as guardian spirit of man.
6. believed in the heavens as orhimi
7. ikas are people who performed the igue festival to mark end of the year.
8.had a believe in hereditory kingship and edaikenship.
9. had three kinds of chiefs called ohaime , which are 1.palace, 2. hereditory ,3, town chiefs.
10. speak the ika language .
11. have respects for elders and seniors.
12. they also performed new yam festival called iwaigi or ogbaligbe.
13. believed that olokun in ancient times was the son of oselobue .
14.maintained the marriage system of nwuyen, idegbe and mgba.
15. finally ika ethnic brotherhood is greatly anchored on the believe that all the ikas migrated at about the same time from benin ( what we mean are most of the founders of ika towns and villages,but available evidence also shows greatly the imput of igbo early migrants too , who founded some ika villages.

finally i want to use this medium to thank DR. cairo ojougboh from agbor , who stepped down today for chief author okowa , at the just concluded delta north senatorial primaries for PDP in asaba. chief okowa won with a total of 1`,446 votes to that of mariam nnaemeka alli from asaba who scored 108 votes . chief okowa is from owa kingdom ,it shows that the appeal of onu ika leader for all ika aspirants to rally round DR. OKOWA worked.we urge him to keep promoting owa and ika culture and to try and bring development to delta north area.

What does Mgbejume mean in Edo?